Pre-Requisite
Meta Principles
in a Batesonian Epistemology

Universe as a web of relations

...I can know nothing about any individual thing by itself,
I can know something about relations between things.
As an observer, I am in a position
resembling that of a mathematician....
If I say the table is "hard,"...
what I know is that the... relationship between the table
and some sense organ or instrument
has a special character...
It is always the relationship
between things
that is the referent of all valid propositions.

It is suggestive that the mathematicians are content to accept the idea that relationships between propositions can be self evident, while they are unwilling to grant this status to the propositions themselves. It is as if they were claiming to know how to talk, but not to know what they are talking about. And that position is precisely parallel to my own (p. 157, 158).
Capra (1982, pp. 96 and 92) describes approaches to modern sub-atomic physics based on a view of the world as a dynamic web of relations...
"...so that at the subatomic level the interrelations and interactions between the parts are more fundamental than the parts themselves."

 

It is a man-made notion that “hardness” is immanent in one end of a binary relationship.

If the Universe is purely relational
How do Things come about?

In Part 2 of this talk we will model
How Things Can be Perceived from
Relations among Relations

The Pattern which Connects

"What pattern connects the crab to the lobster and the orchid to the primrose and all the four of them to me? And me to you? And all the six of us to the ameoba in one direction and the back-ward schizophrenic in another?"
Mind & Nature: A Necessary Unity

 

Homology

1. Bilateral Symmetry

"So they looked at the crab. And first of all, they came up with the observation that it is symmetrical; that is, the right side resembles the left.

Then they observed that one claw was bigger than the other. So it was not symmetrical. ...

Going back to symmetry,
somebody said that "yes, one claw is bigger than the other, but both claws are made of the same parts."

Ah! What a beautiful and noble
statement that is,
how the speaker politely flung into the trash can the idea that size could be of primary or profound importance and went after the pattern which connects. He discarded an asymmetry in size in favor of a deeper symmetry in formal relations."
Mind & Nature: A Necessary Unity

2. Serial Homology

"Later, it appeared that not only are the two claws built on the same "ground plan," (i.e., upon corresponding sets of relations between corresponding parts) but that these relations between corresponding parts extend down the series of the walking legs. We could recognized in every leg pieces that corresponded to the pieces in the claw.

And in your own body, of course, the same sort of thing is true. Humerus in the upper arm corresponds to femur in the thigh, and radius-ulna corresponds to tibia-fibula; the carpals in the wrist correspond to tarsals in the foot; fingers correspond to toes.

The anatomy of the crab is repetitive and rhythmical. It is, like music, repetitive with modulation. Indeed the direction from head toward tail corresponds to a sequence in time:
In embryology,
the head is older than the tail.
A flow of information is possible from front to rear."
Mind & Nature: A Necessary Unity

3. Phylogenetic Homology

"Professional biologists talk about phylogenetic homology for that class of facts of which one example is the formal resemblance between my limb bones and those of a horse. Another example is the formal resemblances between the appendages of a crab and those of a lobster."
Mind & Nature: A Necessary Unity

 

Let me start again. The parts of a crab are connected by various patterns of bilateral symmetry, of serial homology, and so on. Let us call these patterns within the individual growing crab first-order connections. But now we look at crab and lobster and we again find connection by pattern. Call it second-order connection, phylogenetic homology.

Now we look at man or horse and find that, here again, we can see symmetries and serial homologies. When we look at the two together, we find the same cross-species sharing of pattern with a difference (phylogenetic homology). And, of course, we also find the same discarding of magnitudes in favor of shapes, patterns, and relations. In other words, as this distribution of formal resemblances is spelled out, it turns out that gross anatomy exhibits three levels of logical types of descriptive propositions:

1. The parts of any member of Creatura are to be compared with other parts of the same individual to give first-order connections.
(E.g., Symmetry, Serial Homology)

2. Crabs are to be compared with lobsters or men with horses to find similar relations between parts (i.e., to give second order connections).
(E.g., Phylogenetic Homology)

3. The comparison between crabs and lobsters is to be compared with the comparison between man and horse to provide third order-connections.

We have constructed a ladder of how to think about--about what? Oh, yes, the pattern which connects.
Mind & Nature: A Necessary Unity

Symmetry and Symmetry Breaking in NDS Theory
 
Stories

 

...if the world be connected,
if I am fundamentally right in what I am saying,
then thinking in terms of stories
must be shared by all mind or minds,
whether ours or
those of redwood forests and sea anemones.

...the sequence of the building up
of the sea anemone,
its embryology,
must somehow be made up
of the stuff of stories.

And behind that, again,
the evolutionary process
whereby the sea anemone
like you and like me,
came to be
--that process too,
must be the stuff of stories
What is a story
that it may connect the A's and B's,
its parts?
And is it true
that the general fact that parts are connected in this way
is at the very heart of being alive?
I offer you the notion
of context,
of pattern through time.
Mind & Nature: A Necessary Unity, p. 12, 13

Stories:
Patterns through time

The meta-theme of this talk will be making explicit models of how living and knowing are the
Evolution of Patterns
through
Time

[Aside: Stories in relation to changing a life, why learn the wisdom of another culture? etc.]

 

 

A Story

[A man asked his computer]: "Do you compute that you that you will ever think like a human being?" [After some time] "the machine printed out its answer..."

THAT REMINDS ME OF A STORY

 

Two logics
Logic of Logic
Logic of Dreams
All Humans die
All Humans die
Socrates is human
All Grass dies
Socrates will die
Humans are grass

An identity of things,
that is, elements of set
Socrates is one element in a set of elements
versus
An identity of relations, of processes
The identity of Humans and Grass is based on sharing a basic biological process

A requisite for a full epistemology is
Fluency in both logics
AND
Understanding of when to use one versus the other

IF you use one logic to refute
another person who is using the other logic
...well, you get what you deserve

 

Two logics
Logic of Logic
Logic of Dreams
All Humans die
All Humans die
I am Human
All Life dies
I will die
I am Life

 

The Chasm

Dragons don't exist in the Mythology of Bean Counters

In the Beowulf myth Grendel is the anti-hero whose requisite role (like all of Nature and the Earth itself) in the metaphor is to be defeated by the warrior-conqueror, is speaking to a dragon, a dragon of vast intelligence and great age, a dragon who has watched for many eons as many species have come and gone; the dragon says:

"Man," he said, then left a long pause, letting scorn build up in the cave like venom in his breath... "Counters, measurers, theory-makers... Games, games, games!" he snorted fire. "They only think that they think. No total vision, total system, merely schemes with a vague family resemblance,

no more identity than bridges and, say, spiderwebs.

But they rush across chasms on spiderwebs, and sometimes they make it,
and that, they think, settles that!"

 

Double (Multiple) Description
Binocular Vision
Emergence:
(The, My) more modern way of expressing
this idea is that knowing is a process which emerges
from the interplay of
two or more processes

(Scientific) Explanation

A Special Case of Double Description

 

Explanation:
the mapping of
Tautology

onto
Description
A tautology in its simplest form is
‘If P is true, then P is true’

(1979, p. 78)
Tautologies can be very elaborate
including, for example,
Nonlinear Dynamical Systems Models
Description and Tautology
constitute, for Bateson,
a particularly potent pair of
independent languages for
generating knowledge.

This is a form of humans are grass:
An identity of relations

Computer Science ==> Human Information Processing

In Science
We build spider-web bridges
across the chasm between
a Tautology and a Description

The Map is not the Territory

 

 

A street map of SLC does not have on it your home, nor does it have this group here right now, nor your nor my complex and loving relations with people. Nor our dogs and cats and flower garden.

Obviously.

Perhaps we can grant the Universe similar treasures that are not on the map of our own personal experienc.

What's out there?
How do we know what is beyond our knowing?

In this framework the "problems" of humanity seldom if ever have to do with the Territory and nearly always by the limits of the Map

This places Epistemology in a
paramount postion:

Not what you know

But how you know what you know

 

 

"epistemology is an indivisible, integrated meta-science whose subject matter is the world of evolution, embryology, and genetics—the science of the mind in the widest sense of the word… But epistemology is always and inevitably personal. The point of the probe is always in the heart of the explorer: What is my answer to the question of the nature of knowing? I surrender to the belief that my knowing is a small part of a wider integrated knowing that knits [together] the entire biosphere" (Bateson, 1979, pp. 81, 82).

 

Intro
Meta-Principles in a Batesonian Epistemology
Beowulf & Grendel
Methodological Issues
Mapping Bateson's Difference-based Epistemology onto Boolean Nets
An Overview of E42